EP 356 – Improving Your Money Karma with Abby Rohrer

NCS 356 | Money Karma

NCS 356 | Money Karma

 

Earning money can be quite challenging, so much so that we become anxious just thinking about it. As a result, we freeze and hesitate to take the next action. We find ourselves in this loop of procrastination. Finding the alignment of our feelings to money can be a good solution to move forward. Scott talks with master karma and anxiety healer, Abby Rohrer, on how entrepreneurs can increase their money karma. Diving deeper into the role of the nervous system, Abby talks about the kind of healing that will cure us from having money problems. She shows some ways to clear out the negativity and anxiety that will help people overcome their obstacles to gaining money.

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Improving Your Money Karma with Abby Rohrer

I am so excited to have a very special guest that I met in New Media Summit. She is a Master Healer and money Karma Expert. It’s the one and only, Abby Rohrer joining us from Annapolis. Welcome to the show.

Thanks so much for having me. It’s great to be here.

We’re going to get some great questions from my audience of our extended note family. One of the things that the entrepreneurs are always looking for are ways to attract your financing, attract money, make sales, things like that. I loved it because I’ve got to hear your pitch at New Media Summit. I’m excited to have you on the show talking about Money Karma. Why don’t you share who you are, your background and your expertise, and how it pertains to entrepreneurs?

I’m a Master Healer. I came to the Money Karma thing through an unusual route. My Money Karma came out of an intuitive process that I experienced in 2009. I was already teaching people how to self-heal emotional things like anxiety, compulsive behaviors, and various things. I intuitively was shown how to do energy healing. Then I was taken through a process of learning about karma and learning about what happens in our nervous system when we’re holding onto anxiety and the karma that feeds that anxiety.

I came to this in a slightly unusual way. What happened was that as I began working with people and interacting with clients that I already had and sharing my work with them, I started noticing money wins, some big money wins. Over time, some of my anxiety clients were having great, amazing and pretty fast wins in terms of changing jobs, getting raises. Then I started noticing something else with my entrepreneurial client. Their money wins began to shift, and they were getting big $20,000 wins. One of my clients, her first money win was $90,000 sale and she went on to win her company’s top sales award for all of Canada. She had been struggling right before then to make her quota and this was an amazing dramatic shift.

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Money Karma: Pushing away the uncomfortable things with money keeps money from coming to us.

 

That is going from having a struggle to making quotas and things like that, to winning the company sales team. Is there a way that you talk to people? What do you see before you? Are people struggling to pay bills, struggling to get deals done? Is it anxiety that keeps them from success? What’s your formula or how do you diagnose somebody who’s having money problems?

I have a free quiz at MoneyKarmaQuiz.com. There are a bunch of questions there. People come to me often because they can’t get to the next level. They’re phobic or procrastinating from taking sales actions or reaching out to make the next deal. They’re holding back. They might be afraid of being more visible. They bring a lot of different things. Some people are afraid to take the next step forward that could catapult them. What happens when I work with people is that they stop being so afraid. What’s happening is we think this is all about our thoughts, but I have found that so much of what we’re dealing with in terms of fear is happening in our core, in our nervous system. My work focuses on that nervous system piece to clear that up because once that’s cleared out, the head automatically clears out.

You’re talking like the stress is on them. It keeps them from taking those massive steps forward or they have a facade in front of them that they can’t break through.

Some of the things that happen is they find themselves procrastinating or avoiding taking that next action that would get them out there, or that would get them visible. That would get them to invest in the next deal that would be the right deal for them. They find themselves holding back. Sometimes they find themselves hiding or not being willing to even email their list. Is that something that your audience struggles with, those kinds of things?

You are sounding like me. It’s the whole thing of sending out the email, reaching out to your audience, or dropping an email blast out. You and I haven’t talked about that at all. People a lot of times will avoid their biggest fears. Does that do something to their nervous system living in fear? Is it a stress thing, unhealthy feelings?

What people are aware of is that they’re putting it off. They’re not quite ready. When they get this thing done, they’ll take that next action. What they’re not aware of is it can be very subtle. It can feel like a wall inside of us. It can feel like a roller coaster when I think about pressing that send button. I look at it more from the inner experience as opposed to, “It’s stress or it’s this other word that we’re used to hearing about.” The thing is I’ve lived this myself, so I’ve experienced it in my own nervous system. What I’ve learned is that it wasn’t my head and I’ve learned this from my clients too. About 80% of it is coming from what’s going on in the mind rather than what’s going on in the heart. It can feel like a lot of different things. It can feel like, “I’m afraid to look at my bank statement. I’m afraid to call my accountant because what are they going to tell me? Am I going to have a big tax bill?” It’s all these ways in which we are pushing away from the money things we need to do or the actions that would bring us more money.

Push away the money and if they’re pushing away those uncomfortable money things, in turn, that leaves money from coming to us because it’s all connected together. That’s a huge point. Pushing away the noes also pushes away success.

I’m so glad you said that because it reminds me about this one client that I had who got that big sale when I talked about the $90,000 sale. That was a very fast win for her. What we were clearing out was her resistance to hearing no, which was also showing up in a resistance to hearing yes. When you’re afraid of hearing no you can also be pushing the yeses away.

Especially in our business, the more noes you get, the more yeses you get eventually. It becomes a numbers game. Especially in sales, I always made it a game because we reached out to a lot of banks with what we do. You get asset managers and bankers like, “No, we don’t have anything at this time. No, we don’t have anything done.” One yes is all worth it. A lot of people are afraid of the no. They don’t do it because of the fact that they don’t see any results whatsoever. I can see this being prevalent in about any type of sales or monetary thing; accounting, dealing with bankers, refinancing a house, trying to close on a big trade. All that good stuff can go on the same thing.

What are some simple things people can do to help clear out that negativity or that anxiety to help them to overcome this obstacle to find the money? You said something about a lot of people are here and they want to be here. I’m a big believer that they have to grow into that aspect to be a bigger person sometimes too. I may be wrong. What are some of the stories that you can share with people overcoming those obstacles to grow into a bigger sale?

We all need to grow into the next level but part of what can stop that is this feeling inside. I have a few simple tips for people. I’m working on the energetic level. I can’t give them tips to deal with that level, but I’d be happy to teach them how to deal with that level in one of my programs. Here are a couple of quick tips that they can do to handle it at the moment for themselves. The first one would be when those fear thoughts come in, view them as an invitation like a dinner invitation to someplace you don’t want to go. Don’t take them so seriously. If I get a fear about, “I need to reach out to this banker tomorrow.” Maybe I’m not freaking out about it, but just feeling like I want to avoid it a little bit. Maybe say, “I decline the invitation to go into fear about that.” Then say, “I decline the invitation. It is done.”

Tip number two is that we tend to carry a lot of emotions for other people. We carry other people’s fears. The next step, release what isn’t yours. You could do this daily. You could do this every night before you go to bed or every morning when you wake up. It’s a little bit of an energy chip. Tell your own spirit, your own self, your own higher self, to gather up all the energy of fear or other emotions that don’t belong to you. Gather it all up and send it up to the sky, send it up to the universe or send it up to God. Whatever you feel is right for you and then say, “It is done.” It puts the stamp of completion on it. All of us in any context, let’s keep clearing out the energy of the emotions that we’re carrying for other people.

The third one is to check inside yourself. See if you’re playing small because you’re afraid of somebody else not approving of you withdrawing their affection, or if you’re afraid of shining more than someone else. That’s a big thing in our families, in our history. A lot of childhood stuff can fuel this. I like to talk about the childhood stuff, but I also like to talk about the unconscious soul level stuff that we don’t even know is in there. It does show up in our lives in ways that we don’t recognize. It’s important to start looking at how are we playing small so that somebody else doesn’t feel uncomfortable or push us away or get upset because we are starting to take bigger actions. Make more money and become more public about our gifts and how we want to move forward in our success.

A lot of people deal with friends or families, especially as they’re growing as entrepreneurs. Society itself plays a big part in this, especially with negativity. A lot of people are negative out there, “What are you doing? You’re not trying to do your own thing? Are you too good to hang out with us anymore? I don’t want to go drink beer every night. I want to go work in my business. I want to work on my side hustle.” I’d have friends here, students that have dealt with that friends and family’s problem. One of our good friends are calling him, “Mr. Buffet,” and initially started off as gentle ribbing. A couple of them became quite ugly about it. You’re so right. A lot of us are worried about what our friends or our families will say. Some of it is unfounded, but it’s that whole anxiety aspect of things that feed into an aspect of it. A lot of people deal with that. The fear of success is what it comes down to.

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Money Karma: We fear success because we’re afraid of what other people will think.

 

Fear of success and fear of what other people will think of us or what we think they’re going to think of us. What I think what’s happening is how they judge themselves in relation to the actions that we’re taking. When we see somebody else stepping up and moving forward, often people get into, “I’ll judge them because inside I feel I want to do that, but I’m afraid to.”

“I’m scared so I’m going to lash out and be evil or ugly to the people who are working and struggling to make themselves better.” We send an email blast out and we get one ugly email back. Some are making fun of our email or bashing us or cussing us out. I’ve had that happen, it was funny. I was like, “Whatever, I don’t care. Thanks for unsubscribing.” Not everybody has that thick skin and we have to build a little bit thicker skin as we grow in our business, and especially with money coming in.

For some of us, we’re a little more sensitive. It’s harder to say, “That’s just one person.” We tend to focus on that one person and that bad feedback as opposed to all the other people out there who are waiting to hear from us the next time about the next opportunity.

There are people out there who are looking for opportunities especially with what we do in the note game. There are investors who have money sitting on the sidelines, not making anything. They’re looking for an opportunity. There are people who are frustrated with the fix and flip game and what we do or other types of real estate investing that want to get in the note game. This is very prevalent. Let’s recap those three tips.

The first one is to decline the invitation to go into fear. Consider fear as an invitation, a fearful thought. You could try to decline it. Try to decline it two or three times. If you can’t decline it, then that means you might want to call me. Find a way to deal with the next level down which might be the energy level. Tip number two is to release what all the emotions and all the energy of all this that doesn’t belong to you. Ask your spirit to gather up all the energy of the fear, or the resistance, or the avoidance of taking the next step that doesn’t belong to you. Send it up there to the sky or to the universe. Remember with these things to say, “It is done.”

Where do you see your clients where they have the most amount of energy? Are they doing it in the evening before they go to bed? Maybe to clear their minds so they can sleep better or the morning to refresh, restart their day? What do you see?

It’s good to do it both times. It’s a two-second thing. Just do it. You will see a lightening of the load. It doesn’t matter when you do it, but it’s good to do it at both times. Some people, some of us wake up in the morning sometimes and it’s like, “I don’t know how to take the first step this morning.” Some people automatically go into fear the first thing in the morning about the actions that they know they should take now to move their business forward.

We get so bogged down with everything coming in, we don’t know which way to begin. We don’t want that first step as to be the most impactful step or the action that we take now, or each morning to get to where we want to be at the end of the day. A lot of us get so bogged down at looking at to-do lists. It bombards us. We end up doing things on the to-do list to avoid the big rocks of the day, the big financial thing.

The third thing is to pay attention and notice. Notice if you’re playing small in order to keep somebody else from being uncomfortable or because you’re afraid that they will withdraw their affection or withdraw their approval from you. Notice if you start to feel like a small kid when you encounter that thought. Those are the three tips.

I’m thinking of the students, the investors I’ve met or the people I’ve networked with and I always pay attention to what people are saying. I ask them what they’re doing or what they’re investing in, “I’m only doing this.” Somebody reached out to me and said, “I only have $10,000. Should I wait to start investing?” I was like, “No, you can start doing things now using other people’s money.” The invitation sets them in like a 500-pound weight on them. I was like, “Have you ever reached out to your database. Have you ever put an email together? Have you posted online? A lot of people struggle with doing it because they’re afraid of the success aspect of things. I’m loving what you’re doing.

There are a lot of reasons why people go into fear. Sometimes it’s about fear of success, sometimes it’s about fear of failure. Sometimes it’s about fear of succeeding beyond my father. Sometimes we’ve got all these loyalties. There are so many things in this whole picture. One of the things in this picture, the loyalties we carried to other family members or maybe to our lineage on one side as a whole. Maybe nobody on that side of my family ever made over $50,000 a year. One of the things I also do with people is I look at their money ceiling. I look at their sales ceilings, their customer’s ceilings. Maybe the number of deal ceilings. There are things that can be cleared out and lifted. That’s one piece of my work. Another piece is to drain the anxious feelings right out of the nervous system. It’s to neutralize those feelings and drain them. I’m talking about the energetics.

How are you draining that negativity? How are you dreading that stuff?

That’s the energy healing piece of this. The method that came to me intuitively in 2009. This came to me and then over a period of years I was shown Karma pieces, childhood pieces, all these different pieces that keep us bound. I use this particular energy healing method that is my method. It’s called Karma Clearing Code. I use that and it’s some fairly simple statements. In order to teach somebody how to do that for themselves, I need to convey the healing to them so that they can use them on themselves. I use very simple tools and statements to literally drain that anxious energy out of the nervous system. What I have experienced myself personally and with my clients is that we have what this anxiety load in the nervous system. Maybe some people have ten anxiety loads. Some people might have more. Literally, with some simple statements, you can feel the energy of your anxiety draining away.

There are multiple reasons and healing that I apply in order to get that anxiety load to go to peace, to neutralize and drain out. That’s maybe the most amazing piece of the work. Once this feeling in your body is completely calm, you show up and take your business actions from a totally different place. You’re not guarding anymore against the noes. You’re not pushing the yeses away. You’re willing to show up like it’s a new day without the baggage of what’s been holding you back in the past. That’s what allows people to start to make those bigger deals when they’re not dragging all the past and the anxiety that’s in their core along with them into every day, trying to figure out how to manage that.

You’re not dragging those beliefs, those fears or luggage. It feels like some people are like Debbie Downers, dragging all this anxiety with them. It’s like a suitcase, a heavy bag that they get away when they’re around people, “I can’t handle you. I’ve got to get away from you because you’re dragging me down like a magnet.” What you’re saying there is people have a lot of things to deal with. I just had this image when you’re talking about keywords and phrases and drawing energy from that. Are you like the programmer for the Winter Soldier from Marvel? You’ve got to go watch it. There’s a point where he takes this normal guy and he starts reading off phrases from a book. I think it’s twenty phrases. Suddenly, he becomes this badass Marvel hired killer that goes out and does all these amazing things, but not for good. I imagine you being the good Winter Soldier Programmer there who drains anxieties. If we take that anxiety away, people are like shooting down into a cannon to find success, going and making things happen. 

Imagine what could you do? Everybody can ask themselves, “What would you do now if that anxiety load, if that baggage was taken away?” Then how would you show up in a new moment to go after your dreams? A lot of what this work does is it closes the gap between where you are now and what your vision is for what you want to achieve. It could be a financial goal, it could be a money goal. It could be, “I want to close ten deals before the end of the year.” It could be anything. It closes the gap and it stops people from holding back so much out of fear, maybe even fear they don’t even know they have.

Do you recommend people having vision boards and not letting their goals for the year or next year as a way to look at things? Then take those goals and reflect back on where they’re at, what their beliefs are now and see where things are in the middle?

You can absolutely do that. I do think people should have goals. The vision board thing, that’s not my thing. My thing would be more like if you can see yourself achieving that outcome. Notice what’s happening in your body. What the key is here is to notice. Notice where you’re triggered. Notice where you go into fear and notice what’s happening in your body. Notice that fear thought up here has a place where it may live in your core. Then instead of ignoring it like one usually does, notice it. Identify where it is, and then rate it on a scale of one to ten. Then start to pay attention to what’s going on in your body. Because that stuff that’s going on in your body can be energetically cleared out then leaving you free to be able to achieve those dreams. It’s like closing the gap in a different way. I’m a little bit different than people who have vision boards. I’m about draining that energy, neutralizing it and draining it out.

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Money Karma: Once the feelings in your body have completely calmed down, you start to show up and take action with your business.

 

That’s a good thing because if you drain on the negative, you’ve got positive that replaces yourself. It’s like you’re going to put premium gas in your car. You’re going to put something that’s crappy old gas that’s been sitting around forever. When the gas goes bad, our emotions go bad. They eat at us. They affect our health. They affect our energy. They affect our stability to do things. I’m a big believer in this. One of the big things that we do here in the office, I do at the house, if you have something bad that happens as we all have bad things happening. I’m a big believer of 30 seconds. That’s all we’ve got time to bitch about it and let’s move on. Let’s not waste any more energy on that aspect. Let’s move on and figure out what the silver lining is to that cloud. It was probably meant for us not to be that aspect or not deal with that investor or not to close that deal. There’s always a Yin to the Yang.

I’m literally seeing things here like picturing you closing on that huge deal. What does it feel to be the salesperson of the year and the emotion that comes with that? You can feel it honestly because it does change your whole aura or color aspect of things out there. You’ve got to share some stories. I guarantee you’ve got some great stories of people that you’ve worked with who have gone through that. Have you got any examples or anything, a case study? I know you can’t probably share names, we know that.

First of all, another one of the things that I do with my coaching clients and solopreneurs, they have to set their fees. One of the things that I do is I help them figure out what their fee alignment is. What do they want to charge? What do they energetically feel they can charge? I look at those things. What I’ve noticed is that as I clear out the energy, what they’re energetically set to charge rises. I had one particular client whose numbers as we cleared this anxiety stuff out of the nervous system, her ability to double and triple her fees kept climbing to the point where she doubled and tripled her business. I don’t want to say all because I cleared the anxiety from her. What was happening is when you match clearing the stuff out with taking action in the world, that’s when the magic happens. It’s not about the energy, it’s not about clearing the energy. That’s a big piece of the puzzle.

Without taking action in the world, without doing the things you tell your audience to do, clearing the energy is not going to materialize results alone in the world. I’m a firm believer in we have to both clear the energy and take action in the world. That’s one thing. I also worked with a client who built millions of dollars in real estate portfolio while she had a corporate job. Within a couple of years, she had built a $3-million real estate portfolio. During the time she had a corporate job because she was dealing with the things on the inside that would have probably stopped her from taking action and had stopped her previously from taking action.

When I have people coming for coaching, one of the things we talked about, “What goals do you want to make for the next twelve months? What’s that number look like?” Figuring out, “What does that come down on an hour by hour basis? What’s your hour got to be worth to you?” To have them compare that to, “What are you making right now?” There is a big difference between somebody who’s making $25 or $30 an hour wanting to be making $100 an hour to live that aspect of things. People struggle with that gap in a variety of reasons. Where we’re at now, the people we surround ourselves with or the job we’re in and where we want to be in the future knowing that difference in an hour. Nobody’s going to value your hour until you start valuing your hour.

What happens when you notice that, “I’m making $25 an hour now and my goal is to make $100 an hour. When I think about that, my heart sinks or it starts to pound. I can’t see how I can get there.” How about the people who they’ve already tried and tried and take an action after action to try to get there and they still can’t get there? That’s a signal that there’s something going on energetically. If you take all the logical actions and it’s not happening, there’s a signal there about what is going on inside that needs to get cleared out.

Does it come down to people who live for the weekends? They want to do bigger things, but maybe they live for the weekends, so they have to do that as a way to make themselves feel good? Is there a difference in the actions they take on a daily basis seeing those things, getting through those things as there are a variety of things?

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Money Karma: Nobody’s going to value your hour until you start valuing yours.

 

I look at all the energy behind it. To me, you might say, “I’ve been doing this for a while.” Maybe you have some people out there who are saying, “I’ve been doing this for a while and I’m still struggling. I’ve taken all the logical steps. There’s no logical reason why I can’t get over this hump. I can’t get over this money hump or I can’t make my goal. They’ve taken all the logical actions. There could be a money ceiling, there could be a number of deal ceiling. There could be, “I don’t want to outshine my dad. I don’t want to earn more than my dad.” A three-year-old mind inside of us is saying, “I could never step beyond my dad.”

Everybody’s got their own unique reason. Everybody’s different. We have to take ourselves where we’re at because nobody’s walking in our shoes except to us. Do you see this happening where people are constantly comparing themselves to their competition or others? We all have different circumstances that hold us back or things like that. I’m sure you deal with that as well too. 

Everybody has their own unique puzzle. Some people don’t struggle with money stuff at all. They’re soaring and we see them around us. Then there are some people who try as they might, they can’t get to the next level or over the hump. Each of the people who might be struggling with money, each one has their own unique picture. It’s not as simple as saying, “It’s always this belief or it’s always that belief.” It might be something that is seemingly illogical on a certain level, but it’s very logical on the deep unconscious level. I like to think there’s logic and everything. We have to find out what level their logical is living on to figure it out.

What’s the best way for people to get a hold of you? You said you have an online quiz. It’s the starting point for them to go figure out some things.

I have an online quiz and it’s fast. It’s a three-minute quiz to find out if Money Karma is a challenge for you. That’s at MoneyKarmaQuiz.com. There are twelve questions. Go in there and see if any of these things apply to you. They’ll give you clues. From there, you’ll get some emails from me and you can also reach out to me by replying to any of those emails. That would be the easiest way. You can go to my website, which is AbbyRohrer.com.

You’ve been doing this for a while, which is awesome. You’ve helped a lot of people out there. I love the stories you shared. Take the quiz and see what’s holding you back. See what hurdles you are maybe putting in front of yourself that aren’t there. Find out if there are some ways to help you overcome the anxiety that’s holding us all back or overcoming those obstacles to take it to the next level. Mentality plays a big part. I know when I’ve had a good mental state. Where I haven’t had that negative energy inside of me, a negative core around there then I get a whole lot more done.

I struggle with ups and downs like everybody else down there. I always showed my downside. I don’t try to focus on the negative. I try to get rid of it. Not everybody can make that decision themselves. Sometimes they need some guidance along the way. That’s why we’ve got Abby Rohrer here to talk about that. Abby, thank you so much for coming on the show. It was very impactful, very powerful. I guarantee you’ll get a lot of people to enjoy this. I’ve enjoyed it. I guarantee we’re going to have a come back on it at a later time. Maybe we’ll do something with our mastermind group as a whole and go from there. How’s that sound?

It sounds great. I’d love to. Thanks so much for having me, Scott. It was great.

 

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About Abby Rohrer

NCS 356 | Money KarmaAbby Rohrer is a Master Karma and Anxiety Healer, Certified Big Money Business Coach, Instant Miracle Master and Trainer, teacher, author, and artist.

She is the creator of unique processes and programs such as Clear Your Money Karma, Sales & Money Karma Breakthroughs, Eliminate Your Sales Anxiety Formula, Anxiety Antidote, Karma Healing Mastery, and Miracle Mastery Blueprint. She has more than two decades of experience as a feminine-influencer, entrepreneur, healer, and coach helping entrepreneurs, influencers, and coaches to find higher levels of freedom and success in business and life. She is also the author of three books and four programs on healing compulsion and anxiety and a contributing author to these books: Feminine Influencers and Stepping Stones to Success with Deepak Chopra.

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