Making the shift from being an employee to becoming a business owner requires not only a drastic change in the way you work, but more importantly in the way you think. All entrepreneurs have to undergo this process of building an entrepreneurial mindset and it is those who nail it who have the greater chance of success. Scott Carson talks about this with Hungarian entrepreneur and mindset coach, Tibor Nagy. An architect by training, Tibor finds his true calling in coaching, catering to English-, German- and Hungarian-speaking audiences. Tibor is also the host of the Mindset Horizon podcast. As an added bonus to cap the episode, Scott and Tibor discuss the importance of content marketing and social media networking and where podcasting plays into all of this.
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Hacking The Entrepreneurial Mindset With Tibor Nagy
I’m excited to have a guest joining us from all across the sea a little bit. I like to say he’s hungry in Hungary. Our special guest here is a buddy of mine and I love what he is doing. I believe what he’s doing can add a lot of value to you in a couple of ways, especially now with everything going on. Entrepreneur mindset individuals, we all struggle anyway. Sometimes we carry the torch. We are the oddballs and the one-percenters. We’re the people that are out there doing things differently to get ahead in life. It might be against the grain or norm for the people that you’re around, your family and things like that.
I’m honored to have this cat joining us here, Tibor Nagy. He is a former architect turned into lifestyle entrepreneur who followed the conventional path of going to school, getting a degree, get a good job and trying to run in the rat race, decided to think outside the box trying to fit into that. He’s a dedicated Mindset and Performance Coach, certified as an Erickson Professional Coach. He is the host of The Mindset Horizon Podcast. He’s an amazing guy. I was honored to be a guest on his podcast and to have him. Tibor, you’re over in Hungary, right?
Yes. Scott, thank you so much for having me on. I’m excited to have this conversation with you and more importantly, I’m excited to serve your audience.
As entrepreneurs, we have a tendency to stick together. We’re a little bit weird. Going through and getting your degree in Architecture, I’m sure you still love architecture. Otherwise, you wouldn’t have got a degree in it. Let’s walk through that shift. Our audiences are professionals that are doing something. They’re doctors, dentists. They’re working the 9:00 to 5:00 and then they realize they don’t like that and they want to make a shift into something to entrepreneurship. Let’s talk about the mindset that you went through and the timing for that.
It’s a big journey and it started in 2016. As you were talking about this as an introduction, something came to my mind and it’s a quote by Robin Sharma. He said, “What’s the point of being successful if you’re a success according to society but you’re a failure according to yourself.” This is something that Robin Sharma said in one of his conversations. I don’t know if it’s on the internet out there as a quote, but it stayed with me since then. I heard it in 2017. He was one of my biggest impact. I started reading his books and stuff like that when I was thinking about entrepreneurship and I became passionate about this personal development aspect of the entrepreneurial journey like, who you need to become as a person and what mindset you need to cultivate in order to be able to follow through on your goals and dreams.
I started this transitioning in my mind. At that time, I was living in Hungary and I was very unsatisfied as an architect here. I had a Master’s degree. I felt I was very underpaid, even though I was working for an international company where I had a company car and stuff like that, but I felt my salary was very low. I was always playing with this idea of moving abroad like Europe or Germany, because I knew I could earn more money as an architect, as an engineer. I was playing with this idea because I could speak English and I could speak German to some extent. Before I moved out to Germany, I focused on improving the German language and skills. The transformation happened in Germany because I started to work there and it took me about one year, a lot of challenges, as you can imagine with the language. I couldn’t express myself, especially not at work.
I had one focus, learning the language and being able to reach my full potential as an architect. The potential that I had in Hungary speaking to Hungarian native language. I went through these difficult times. When I reached my “destination,” I started to earn the money that I wanted and I could speak the language. I was looking for a new challenge and I’ve always had this growth mindset which means that I was always looking for challenges in my life and Germany was a challenge. When I became comfortable with the German language and I could work there as an architect and I became a project manager responsible for my country, Hungary, I was very proud of myself. That changed my belief system in terms of what’s possible.
In The Mindset Horizon Podcast, a lot of times we talk about confidence. That experience shifted my mindset and belief system around my belief in my abilities of what I’m capable of rides because before that, I had many limiting beliefs as I look back. I became more aware as I had this reflection on this journey, but I was limited by beliefs such as I am less than the Germans because I was born in a smaller, less developed country and so on and so forth. We can go deeper into that but more importantly in Germany, I had this phase when I was looking for a new challenge. I asked myself, “What do I want in the long run? What do I want to achieve? Who do I want to become?” More importantly, in the corporate world, what I felt is I was limited. My potential was limited and I couldn’t see myself there in the long run.
I can also say that the job became boring after one year. In the beginning, it was always exciting. I needed to learn a lot of new things and learn into the job and so on and so forth. After one and a half years, it became boring. To be honest, after I finished university, I was working in the corporate world for five years. I had five different jobs in 4 or 5 years in three countries because I moved to Austria, but I didn’t stay longer than 1.5 years. I was like, “Why is that?” Something is not good here. I was thinking and asking myself, “Who do I want to become? How could I see myself in the long run? What is the vision that I can commit to so to speak?”
Interestingly enough, I saw myself as an international speaker and who speaks in English on stage. At that time, I wasn’t that good at English because I wasn’t using the language even though when I was fifteen, that was the first time when I’ve been to the US. Since then, I wanted to master the language. In my professional life, I was always chasing international job opportunities. That was also one of the reasons I moved out to Germany hoping that I’m going to get more international job opportunities there, but it didn’t happen. We were very focused on the German market and I needed to use the German language.
I was dreaming about becoming international, using the English language, becoming a speaker and telling my truths. At that time, it was very blurry. I didn’t have a specific vision, but this was the point where I started thinking, what’s next? What’s the bigger challenge? At that time, I started thinking about entrepreneurship. As it happened, I started reading more about marketing, business, and started listening to personal development and business podcasts also because I wanted to learn the language. I was exposing myself to different channels in English so I was reading the books in English and podcasts in English.
It happened to me that the personal development aspect of the entrepreneurial journey became more interesting because I saw that in order to be successful in entrepreneur, you need to grow into that person and identity so that you can execute on your goals. At that time, my identity was an architect. I couldn’t imagine myself as an entrepreneur. When you have the identity in place, you follow through on your actions. This is what Tony Robbins talks about or he has this quote, “Human beings absolutely follow through on who they believe they are.” If you have this identity, “I’m this real estate guy or entrepreneur,” you can take the action steps because you are driven by your identity. I became interested in that. This is where I started my transition, so to speak.
I’m glad you brought that up because you highlighted a couple of points there. A lot of people have the idea of, “We’re going to get a job or we’re going to climb the corporate ladder.” We think new positions or greater positions or responsibilities that are going to fill that drive sometimes. A lot of times, it’s an empty promise. You can say, “It’s great to make more money and have a cool job.” A lot of times, it doesn’t feel what we’re looking for, that drive and creative juices. That’s why a lot of people don’t have hobbies and things that source of there, but it’s still that point where like, “I’m climbing. I’m not finding any type of personal fulfillment.”
You can hear that coming through you, especially when you’re dreaming in a foreign language. That’s the sign that God is telling you, “You’re not what you’re thinking is. I’ve got a bigger plan for you.” I can only imagine, I’ve dreamt in Spanish sometimes where everybody’s speaking Spanish. I’m like, “I speak un poquito,” but that’s a different thing. A lot of entrepreneurs struggle with that. You mentioned getting into there and trying to figure out, “I’m seeing this, but I don’t know how the heck I’m going to get there. I’m seeing myself doing this.” A lot of people, that scare them from taking that big initial leap to leave their job and career to start something new because like, “I’m not worthy of that.”
A lot of entrepreneurs struggle with imposter syndrome. They start doing something and it’s not the whole fake it until you make it. They’re like, “I don’t know.” People fear failure and other people feel like, “I don’t want to fail people.” Everybody is human. Some people have a hard time coming to grips with that, “I got to hold onto the secure job because it’s got favor.” We know everything now is not secure no matter where you’re at, whether you’ve got a regular job or you worked for the government. Nothing is secure except what you do yourself.
I was struggling with that. To be honest with you, one of my favorite shows, Impact Theory, it captivated me. Secretly, I dreamed about something like that, a podcast, a show where I can interview interesting people. At that time, as you can imagine, I couldn’t see myself doing that. You grow into this identity so the most important thing, especially when it comes to changing mindsets and belief systems is to action steps. Action steps can influence our belief system. If I had never gone out to Germany, I wouldn’t have believed in myself and in my abilities to figure stuff out. I expose myself to different things and I got to a point where I could expand my vision a little bit more so that’s coming through action steps. You need to take the steps.
My first vision was smaller. One of the biggest problems of people is that they don’t dare to dream big enough. They say that I’m captivated by Impact Theory but I’m saying, “I’m going to do a one-on-one consulting practice. I’m going to have one person impact at a time.” If this is what you want to do, that’s okay but be honest with yourself. Throughout these years, I felt like I’m not honest with myself. When I talk to people, I was saying that this is what I’m planning to do and I couldn’t have the courage to reveal my true dreams and desires that I want to have a show like Impact Theory.
Tom Bilyeu says he wants to build the next Disney. This is his dream. This is what you have to shoot for, the stars. This is what pulls you and what helps you move towards your vision. That’s something that people miss. Somehow, they don’t dream big enough and there’s this term the fear of dreaming. That’s the first fear that people encounter, especially the people who are transitioning from the corporate world to entrepreneurship. They don’t dare to dream at all or they dream small.
That’s a big thing. They play small ball versus taking it to the next level, “I can’t do that.” “You can. You just have to do a little bit each day to get to that bigger picture.” If you set small goals for yourself or small dreams, we bullshit ourselves into, “I’ll get to it later,” and it leads to procrastination. Whereas if you do have a larger goal or a larger dream, it often can motivate you like, “I got to get up every day. I get to rock and rolling on this. I don’t have time to sit around,” or if I’m still working, I’ve got to make the most of my spare time after hours, the 7:00 PM to 2:00 AM to get stuff done, as Gary Vee says.
Over time, you grow into this.
You’re interviewing many different people. You started the podcast after you left Corporate America, or did you start it when you were still working?
I started after I left. There was a transition. I left my full-time job for the first time and I had an experimentation phase. I was experimenting with different ideas. I was living in Austria and I took a coach training program. That’s when I took the Ericsson Professional Training. Tom Bilyeu came to my mind again. He said, “Don’t be afraid to be lost for a while.” Especially if you’re trying to build something, you’re going to feel lost oftentimes, especially in the beginning. You don’t know if this idea is going to work.
I was experimenting with different ideas. I was lost and I needed to get back to the corporate world in order to financially support myself. That was a time when I found that that’s total self-betrayal in the corporate world because I went back for the money and that desire was already inside of me very much. I was working on that idea as I was working in the corporate, and then I left. I started The Mindset Horizon Podcasts after I left the corporate the second time. Since then, I’ve been building this.
I’m glad that you brought that up because a lot of people struggle with that and they get going and it takes a little bit more than what they expect of me. It’s giving up your dreams. I went through that early on years ago. I left the corporate and started a mortgage company. I was an investor during a tough time. I thought, “Do I need to go back into banking?” I remember going for that interview and then walking out. I’m pissed off because I felt like I was giving up on my dreams but sometimes you have to put that dream down for a little bit to pay bills.
Let’s face it. It doesn’t do you any good, any of your tribe or what you want to be, to be homeless, broke, and behind all that stuff. We can agree to that. A lot of people don’t realize that. They’re afraid when they leave their job. It’s not going to be there. They couldn’t find something else. That’s the way that a lot of people that are successful. If I do fail at this, I can always go back to being an architect, banker or working for whoever I worked at before or somebody else. It’s not the end of the world but you learn more about yourself. Did you take it a little bit more serious and motivated after the second time?
I did. I was more focused on what I’m going to pursue. The experimentation phase for me was, I had had this desire. I want to start something on my own, but I didn’t have a business idea. I was living in Austria at that time and I started networking because I was like, “I need to be in entrepreneurial environment so that I can grow into this space.” Back then, I was into corporate and I didn’t know how things work. I quit my job and I was like, “I’m going to explore this world.” I attended different conferences. I started networking in Austria, and learn more about how entrepreneurship works.
Not just through books but through conversations and networking. I didn’t have an idea. That was the experimentation. I needed to get back to earn more money. As I was in the corporate, I was already working on a specific idea. That time was experimentation and finding an idea, but it was hard for the second time when I needed to get back because again, for me, it was a struggle sitting in meetings, thinking about my business idea and how I want to execute on that. That was a tough time.
You’ve interviewed some amazing people with your podcast and I’m sure you’ve learned a lot of lessons from it. Early on, when you started, is there somebody that you interviewed that helped you take to a whole different level or help start you off on the right path to change something in the mindset stuff?
There was a woman named Tracy Litt and she’s a mindset coach. There was one sentence that stayed with me which was, “Don’t believe everything that the mind tells you.” She was talking about the fear and the voice of fear in your head. The first step to personal transformation or mindset shift is awareness. The awareness that we have different voices in our mind. She was talking about this and that was very much mindset-shifting for me. That first step is the awareness that you can separate the different voices. Fear has the voice that tells you like, “Don’t start this business. Stay in your comfort zone.” The brain’s number one priority is to keep you safe and keep you away from everything that is unfamiliar. The brain’s number one priority is safety for survival. That’s the survival mechanism.
The second is to keep you away from any kind of pain, emotional, mental, physical and spiritual. The voice of the fear tells you that, “Tibor, this is not a good idea to be an entrepreneur. This is very risky. Don’t do that.” If you can differentiate the voices in your head, that’s the first step, the awareness. She was talking about this, what you can do and what people can do is hear this voice if this is the fear talking to you and trying to hold you back. On the other side of the equation is, what do you want, the vision and desire? That’s the thing that you want to focus on instead of focusing on the fear telling you to stay in your comfort zone. It’s hard because we are pushing ourselves to the limits all the time. I do that when I do an interview with English. I’m getting used to the English but I’m always stepping out of my comfort zone. It’s an interesting thing.
The survive or flight syndrome, the lizard brain we have like, “You’re going to hurt yourself. Why are you going to do that? You could fail.” What if I don’t fail? What if I do succeed? It’s always the thing that we have to overcome on a regular basis. Everybody has that. Steve Jobs dealt with that too. A lot of the big names deal with that on a daily basis of imposter or scarcity syndrome. You mentioned that when you quit your job, you started networking. What kind of networking did you do? A lot of people were working full-time and you said something good. Your time, when you’re working, is to your boss, job and the company. You don’t have a lot of time or energy to go out, networking, and rub elbows with other people that are at where you want to be. That’s one of the big things we talk about. It’s getting out and networking whether it’s in-person or online groups. What did you do there in Austria? How did you network?
I was living in Austria, but I was becoming very international. One of the communities I’ve become part of was the Mindvalley communities. It’s a personal development and also entrepreneurial community. It’s a little bit more focused on personal development. The founder is Vishen Lakhiani and they organized an event which is called Mindvalley University. It’s a four-week event where there are different talks in entrepreneurship and also in personal development and you can learn. One of the first events was the Mindvalley University. At that time, I was already clear that I want to become an international entrepreneur in terms of using the English language and so forth. I attended that event first, so I started networking there.
That community was a huge support to what I’m doing because I could invite guests from that community on my podcast, for example, Ajit Nawalkha. One of the co-founders of Mindvalley Teach, Jason Goldberg, a coach from California, LA. Those people were in those circles. When I started the podcast, I could immediately reach out to them. To be honest with you, when I first attended that event, I didn’t know that it’s going to happen. I didn’t know that I’m going to have a podcast and I’m going to invite those people. I was just planting the seeds. I was less active in Vienna, Austria. I was living there in the capital of Austria.
I joined a community called iamgood, and that community was organizing personal development and entrepreneurial events in Vienna. As a volunteer, I joined that community and we were organizing different events in Vienna in entrepreneurship. That was one of the communities I remember. In the meantime, I was going through the Coach Training Program which was a Vancouver-based program, but they had partners in Vienna so I was going through the program in English already. At that time, I was very international focused in terms of the language and the communities. I was expanding a little bit my circles.
It’s such a gorgeous thing. Many people look locally, “I got to be somewhere local.” You’re not going to be local, especially if what you want to do is not have a local large presence, you want to do something bigger or you’re dreaming in a different language. You’ve got to figure out and realize where’s that stuff happening. It’s awesome that you found something out. They did have a local presence so you didn’t know about before then you tapped into that resource to get things. You were being a student and being coached by people to help take you to that next level. We all need coaches. We’ve got a variety of different coaches for my business, my podcast, entrepreneurship. That’s one of the most important things is getting a coach or somebody that can help you take those steps that aren’t blind steps in the wrong direction.
Speaking of local, I’m working with somebody on the marketing of my podcast. I’m thinking about this step maybe from a local base. For example, I live in Hungary and podcasting is becoming a thing here. It’s not that popular than it is in the US. I could become a pioneer here in Hungary. if I have a follower here or people know me, then I could grow more easily internationally. I love the international aspect. This is why I chose this but I’m thinking about, is it worth doing something, becoming known as a podcaster and then grow from here? This is something that I’m experimenting with.
That brings up a question because a lot of people are like, “Do I focus locally or do I go nationally? Where do I go? Do I go where the crowd is if it’s not here?” Is there a big audience? Is there a podcasting influence where you’re living at? Is it growing? What’s the answer to that?
It’s growing. I wasn’t involved and someone invited me to a podcast here in Hungary and she found me on LinkedIn. I’m planning to partner up with someone from a podcast production company in Hungary. I had a phone call with them. I asked a guy what their experiences were in terms of podcasting. He said that after COVID, they had many more interests and companies reaching out to them that they wanted to start a podcast. It’s becoming a thing here. It’s not booming that much than it is in the US. It’s like this is the time. Content marketing wasn’t a thing here. It wasn’t a focus for companies. Content marketing and podcasting is becoming a thing. This guy, the founder of this production company said that they had very positive experiences after COVID hits and more companies reached out to them because they wanted to do something. During these times, they wanted to gain more potential customers.
What did you do? It brings up a good point that content is king. We all know that you’ve got to put content out for people to be able to find or connect with you. What were some of the things that you were doing initially to get the word out on what you’re doing to attract clients and students? What are some of the key focus things that you’re doing, Tibor?
One of the main focus is the content marketing, social media and the podcast. In social media, I focus on Facebook and LinkedIn. On Facebook, I focus on Facebook groups. For the Mindset Horizon Podcast, I created a Facebook group. I want to invite the audience there in order to get some feedback and be able to connect with them more easily, survey them because I want to know their pain points and desires. In order to create better content, this is one of the first things and also to provide services, products or anything that I might want in the future. That’s the group for The Mindset Horizon Podcast and there’s also a group for the new podcasts, the Podcasting Mastery Show.
I want to connect with these people so that I can see better what they need. On social media, sometimes I feel it’s hard to connect with people and get some feedback. I focus on Facebook, not the Mindset Horizon Facebook page but the private page. This is where I shared the most content and in the Facebook group. In LinkedIn, I also focus on content marketing so I share content and I use a tool. It’s called Lempod top-secret tool with which you can boost your views on LinkedIn. You can check that out if you want, Lempod.com.
That’s a great thing. You brought up that you talked to somebody who found you there locally but found you on LinkedIn and connected with you. We met through Facebook group originally. Connecting, talking, and now we’re part of each other’s networks which is a beautiful thing. A lot of people are scared to effort and ask. You mentioned, “I’m looking for guests.” I reached out to you. I was on your podcast. We had a chance to talk. I researched what you do, “I got to have you on mine. Here’s my network.”
We leverage each other’s networks to help us both grow in a positive fashion because that’s one of the most important things these days. While we may be stuck at home by ourselves or with our family, sometimes it’s a good thing or a bad thing. You’ve got to tap into those networks to help your business grow whether you’re seasoned or especially brand new. The faster you can get your network growing and a bigger network, the more opportunities you have versus trying to be a private spy like James Bond where nobody knows what the heck you’re doing. You can’t succeed in anything trying to be secret about what you’re doing.
Networking on social media is one of my biggest focus and on Facebook and LinkedIn as well. If I didn’t have a LinkedIn account or if I didn’t share anything in LinkedIn, I wouldn’t have been found by this woman who does this podcast here in Hungary and that’s going to be my first entry in Hungarian which is exciting. That’s what I like about social media that I engage also in other Facebook groups, not just my Facebook groups but I go to podcasters Facebook groups. I comment, read, and also survey the audience. When I started the new podcast, I surveyed some of the Facebook groups and I posted some questions connected to pain points so that was very strategic. When I launched this podcast, I personal messaged and texted all those people who left a comment on my posts because those are potential listeners. I was very focused on that. There are a lot of things you can do. Networking is important.
You may be thinking, “Scott, why are we talking about podcasting on a note investing podcast?” The reason I brought this up is I want you guys to listen to what he’s saying here, LinkedIn, Facebook groups, and you said a very powerful tool. You messaged everybody who comment on your post. You’ve used LinkedIn to leverage to find other people. That’s one of the biggest things that you do and it’s easy. Those are free things to do. All they do is take a little bit of your time. The days of sending personal thank you notes are gone. You don’t have an address.
You’d be sending a lot of international postage as well and it’s expensive doing that, but that little bit extra like, “Thanks for commenting. How can we work? I appreciate that,” that’s a lost art of that personal one-on-one touch. It’s valuable and it’s the key. People will post something and then they’ll expect it’s going to go viral, a million likes, or a million comments, but they never go back to touch base with that audience. You’re right, those people that are taking the time to comment can be your future clients. In our case, the future investors to deal with, future audience or future deal source. That’s a very powerful thing to do. It takes time and a little bit of energy to do that. Most people don’t do that.
What we miss on social media is engagement. You have to think about social media as real life. You don’t post something and wait that someone is going to reach out immediately and be your customer. You have to start a conversation first. One of the people I texted because of my new podcast, and listened to the podcast and she sent me a voice message that she has been podcasting for years and she was waiting for this podcast to be born because she wants to become a better interviewer. This is what she wanted and this can be an ideal customer as well. What it takes is to send a private message. If you see that person is a potential customer because they left a comment or liked your video. Some people don’t leave a comment. What if you reach out to them like, “How is it going?” You have to talk to people as if it was reality because the engagement and the conversation have to happen first.
That’s the whole point. A lot of people struggle with is not only that follow-up but also thinking about, what do I post? What do I share if I’m brand new? I’m not that interesting. I’m a big believer that if you’re not that interesting, then go find something that is interesting. Go find an article, a periodical, a video, and share that but then share your opinion about that. We’ve got a thing going on with a coaching challenge with our students.
That’s one of the things that challenged them to is go to their LinkedIn, post an article, and they get points for posting that article, but they’ve got to give their comment. What’s going on with this article? Why do they find it important? What’s the point being? That takes versus you sharing where people read it, but they may not comment on it. Starting a dialogue, priming that pump for people to comment either agree or disagree and having a friendly conversation versus kill you, I can’t stand you because you have a different opinion kind of thing.
There could be other things that hold people back like fear of being judged. What I did was if I believe that I provide value to my audience, I’m ready to post anything. I usually focus on providing value. I’m not sharing dancing cats and stuff like that. I’m focused on the value aspects like, how can I bring value to the community? I have to be sure that I bring value and I talk about something valuable in those videos. I share my excitement as well because people might be interested. I want to include them in my excitement like I look at my Facebook group as my “family.” I want to share these stuffs with them and hopefully, they are excited too.
You don’t want to run into somebody who’s a Debbie Downer, who’s upset and nasty. Excitement attracts people. When people can sense your excitement and enthusiasm, that attracts people to you. There’s nothing worse than being Negative Nancy. That will repel people against you. That’s why I tell people like, “If you’re creating content, video or doing something, and you’re in a bad mood, don’t.” Your dialing up, making phone calls to ask the managers, don’t be in a bad mood. Go do something else, come back later when you’re in a good mood and smile.
A smile comes across like now, your smile, a megawatt blowout torch there because you’re excited. The same thing here and you can’t help it, but you’re attracted to that. People appreciate that especially in such a negative world we live in these days. It’s so important to be that bright light, lantern or blowtorch that people can look to for motivation and enthusiasm. I hate to say this but suck a little bit of energy off to help brighten their day.
What I realized in one of my videos that I smiled. I don’t usually smile when I talk about something, but I started smiling and I was like, “That’s a good thing to continue because people want that.” People want this enthusiasm and some motivation as you said.
That is not to say that we don’t struggle because we all know everybody struggles on a day in and day out basis. What are 1 or 2 things that you like to do if you’re having a rough day or you’re struggling? What are your keys to overcoming that? Do you do something to help you boost the energy and get you back on track on your journey?
What I do every day is I ride the bike in the lunch break. I have 30 minutes when I go down and I ride the bike. That’s my exercise because it helps me clear my mind. One other thing I found helpful is in the morning, I journal. What I like to write down are my visions. The way I do it is I put down 2021 April. I write down what I’m experiencing as if it was happening right now. I had visions of living in the US and I wrote it down as if it was happening right now. After that, I meditate. That’s more spiritual practice but I write it down and then I visualize during meditation. This is how I train my brain to focus on what I want to experience in the future. Not focusing on the other things that don’t work. This is a practice I found helpful for me and this is what I do in the morning. Otherwise, exercise is something that I do to clear my mind.
That’s a big thing. You can change your physiology altogether by getting up, moving, getting the energy, flowing and give those dopamine levels even if it’s jumping up and getting things rocking and rolling, going for a walk in the morning or the evening or riding your bike. A lot of people get trapped into, “The gyms aren’t open and I don’t have this stuff.” People were exercising without gyms way before we had them. They’re going out for flocks and riding their bike.
Before the interviews, I do some pushups and I jump a couple of times because I want to get into a different state. It’s so interesting because after one minute of jumping, you feel different. You might have been doing something that requires focus and then you were in a very relaxed state. When you have an interview, you want to get into a more exciting state. With jumping and pushups, I get into that. That’s one of the practices I do before interviews all the time.
Are you cranking out like 100, 50, 20?
Four times ten for the state.
That’s a simple activity. A lot of people need that because sometimes we get so bogged down in trying to get through mud. Our brain sometimes can be mud, mind blocks and problems. Stepping away, doing something like that, whether it’s an English, Hungary, or Germany, the opportunity will present itself to us. With what you’re doing on how to be a better interviewer, you’re doing it for selfish reasons and there’s nothing wrong with that. Part of the great thing about being a podcaster, a lot of times we get people on and we want to pick their brains or own interesting finishes. Learning to ask better questions leads to better answers and better solutions for us. Would you agree to that?
One secret to the audience was I was thinking about starting a podcast because I went through the Coach Training Program. In the Coach Training Program, we learned about asking skills and listening skills. I was thinking about a medium and how I could use technology to spread the message. This is how podcasting came about. In the intro to your show, connected to your question, questioning is an asset. What leads to great questions is curiosity. More importantly, what leads to a great question is the ability to be able to listen and be present. It could be a coaching session or any kind of conversation. If you’re not present with someone, you are not listening, you can’t ask great questions and you miss the cues.
You want to listen to those little things that you can ask as a follow-up question. Someone might miss something that you would be curious about and then you ask, “What did you do there? Why did you do that?” That person is not missing that because on purpose, he forgets to mention and then you can ask follow-up questions based on that listening. Listening is one of the most important things and it’s hard because during interviews, we are a little bit distracted by technology. I don’t do video interviews. I do audio-only and then I listen. I want to focus on listening. I realized that I get into a flow state more easily. I don’t have purposes with video.
I’ve done video longer than I did audio. That’s part of the reason I love doing video because it’s a different animal. Especially here in the United States, we have a quarter of the population listening to podcasts and we have YouTube videos that way. I’ve got a little bit older audience that spend more time on the video than they do on audio which is okay, but I’ve tried to hit multiple platforms. You said something good there, you’re paying attention. This is one of the things that when I’m talking with people, I might have 1 or 2 questions written down to ask as a maximum.
I’m not a big fan of 7 or 8 crafted questions because then you stop listening. You end up going by those questions and missing those little verbal cues for something else. If something pops up interesting in a question, I got to go to the next one. I don’t have time to go back to that. That’s what makes the difference between an okay interview and an amazing interview. You’re talking with coaches or people that you’re picking their brains, those little nuggets that nobody knows about, but people will hint at it. It’s a matter of asking that question can lead to a whole new like, “That makes a lot of sense. Now, I understand. Let me get past that mind block.”
This is how you can go deeper. Many people who come on the show as a guest, they have been interviewed a couple of times or many times, and then you want to be able to ask the questions they have never been asked before. The way you can do it is by listening and then asking to follow-up question based on that listening. It’s a skill that can be developed over time. It’s interesting. Back to your point on the outline and the questions, I always did a lot of preparation because of the language. I was insecure.
In my first interview, as you can imagine, I planned out everything but as it turns out, the conversation goes all over the place so it’s not going the way I planned it. What I realized is that I can conduct better interviews if I focus on listening. What you said is I would highly recommend if someone is a podcaster that you have a North Star for a guest so you had a North Star for me, what you want to talk about, and then 2 or 3 bullet points that you want to go through. Otherwise, you listen and ask follow-up questions based on that listening.
We could sit here and chat all day, Tibor, but we’re coming to the end here. What’s the best way for our audience to connect with you, to find out more about what you’re doing?
The best way to connect is my website, MindsetHorizon.com. People can check out the podcast. There is a section on Learn How To Podcast. I also have a free eBook so people can check out that as well.
Listen to the podcast, there’s great stuff out there, great interviews. I loved it. I’ve been bingeing it. Thank you for being a great guest, being honest, and sharing your journey. A lot of people need to hear that. People are going through that. They’re struggling and need somewhere to turn. We don’t have the tools provided by business, company or community. We’ve got to go out and find the tools ourselves. You outlined what you did to help take you to that whole different level. Continue to journey. I look forward to when you come over to the States, hopefully not too long. We can get together and have a beer in person at some point.
I would love that. Thank you so much, Scott.
Thank you so much. Guys and gals, you heard it here. Don’t be afraid to go out on your own. Everybody struggles as entrepreneurs and they leaving their job or leaving something they’re used to doing and striking out in that path alone. You’re not alone. You’ve got people that have done it. You just got to reach out, network, connect with other people in a right and different fashions. It doesn’t have to be somebody in your backyard. It can be somebody across the globe that can reach out to you like our relationship. It’s blossoming here between us. Go out and take some action, everybody. We look forward to seeing you all at the top.
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